1 00:00:08,330 --> 00:00:03,679 we have been working with vaccines for 2 00:00:09,980 --> 00:00:08,340 about four centuries and get vaccinate 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:09,990 the homeopathic vaccines are not 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:12,210 vaccines they're talking about getting 5 00:00:17,570 --> 00:00:15,570 stuff diluted so finally that there's 6 00:00:19,070 --> 00:00:17,580 less than one molecule out of all of the 7 00:00:20,630 --> 00:00:19,080 molecules in the universe it's just a 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:20,640 joke homeopathy is a joke it's got 9 00:00:25,609 --> 00:00:22,170 nothing going for it except the placebo 10 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:25,619 effect and yet I've seen people suffer 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:27,390 with regard to vaccines I was there in 12 00:00:32,540 --> 00:00:30,570 the kids hospital in Sydney when we had 13 00:00:34,970 --> 00:00:32,550 the first case in 20 years of a kid in 14 00:00:37,819 --> 00:00:34,980 Australia dying from whooping cough 15 00:00:39,319 --> 00:00:37,829 because the TV program said don't get 16 00:00:41,780 --> 00:00:39,329 the kids vaccinated and so people didn't 17 00:00:44,180 --> 00:00:41,790 and now whooping cough has come back my 18 00:00:51,850 --> 00:00:44,190 god we actually on backwards yeah yep 19 00:01:08,930 --> 00:00:55,030 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 20 00:01:16,710 --> 00:01:12,230 yes it's the skeptic Zone episode number 21 00:01:17,820 --> 00:01:16,720 186 for the 12th of May 2012 Richardson 22 00:01:21,149 --> 00:01:17,830 is here with you from Sydney Australia 23 00:01:24,180 --> 00:01:21,159 and as you can hear I guess I haven't 24 00:01:27,149 --> 00:01:24,190 been taking enough homeopathy toward off 25 00:01:30,540 --> 00:01:27,159 the cold I currently have but nevermind 26 00:01:32,130 --> 00:01:30,550 will press on regardless now speaking of 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:32,140 homey up i think kicking off the show is 28 00:01:36,540 --> 00:01:34,810 a good friend of mine dr. carl cruiser 29 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:36,550 disc him well known to listeners in 30 00:01:42,180 --> 00:01:39,310 australia and dr. carl as he's known was 31 00:01:44,340 --> 00:01:42,190 on ABC radio in queensland just the 32 00:01:46,499 --> 00:01:44,350 other day and I said a little Twitter 33 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:46,509 message to him seeing if he wouldn't 34 00:01:52,590 --> 00:01:48,729 mind mentioning homeopathic vaccinations 35 00:01:54,389 --> 00:01:52,600 and he did just that thank you dr. Carl 36 00:01:56,999 --> 00:01:54,399 thank you very much an important message 37 00:01:59,219 --> 00:01:57,009 always well it's coming up on this 38 00:02:02,219 --> 00:01:59,229 week's episode of the skeptic zone well 39 00:02:04,979 --> 00:02:02,229 a couple of days ago when Queen 40 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:04,989 Elizabeth opened the UK Parliament she 41 00:02:09,290 --> 00:02:07,090 mentioned in her speech that the 42 00:02:12,330 --> 00:02:09,300 Parliament will now look into 43 00:02:15,660 --> 00:02:12,340 strengthening three speech laws in the 44 00:02:19,770 --> 00:02:15,670 UK and this is very good news for one 45 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:19,780 doctor Simon Singh who of course as her 46 00:02:25,140 --> 00:02:22,209 experience much trouble with these libel 47 00:02:27,390 --> 00:02:25,150 laws lately especially with the 48 00:02:28,979 --> 00:02:27,400 chiropractors so what we'll do is we'll 49 00:02:31,949 --> 00:02:28,989 play that little bit of the Queen's 50 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:31,959 speech where she mentions this process 51 00:02:37,589 --> 00:02:34,209 coming up and then we have some comments 52 00:02:40,350 --> 00:02:37,599 from dr. Simon Singh himself and I think 53 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:40,360 they're most encouraging after that we 54 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:43,330 speak to Julie ladder who is all the way 55 00:02:49,650 --> 00:02:46,450 over there in the Caribbean where she is 56 00:02:52,050 --> 00:02:49,660 studying animal science to become a vet 57 00:02:54,930 --> 00:02:52,060 what an interesting thing to do and what 58 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:54,940 an interesting place to do it but Julie 59 00:03:02,070 --> 00:02:56,370 is going to tell us about some of the 60 00:03:05,220 --> 00:03:02,080 strange ah quackery she's seen in 61 00:03:08,910 --> 00:03:05,230 venturi practices yes folks all that 62 00:03:10,170 --> 00:03:08,920 goes quack and a vet are not necessarily 63 00:03:13,140 --> 00:03:10,180 ducks 64 00:03:15,809 --> 00:03:13,150 quackery in bed three that's coming up 65 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:15,819 in the middle of the show now then about 66 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:18,010 as far removed as quackery as you could 67 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:20,370 possibly get its reality bites with our 68 00:03:25,140 --> 00:03:23,290 skeptical nurse Joanne better moon and 69 00:03:28,050 --> 00:03:25,150 she's going to be paying tribute this 70 00:03:31,589 --> 00:03:28,060 week two nurses everywhere because today 71 00:03:36,059 --> 00:03:31,599 the tour thermae is international nurses 72 00:03:38,940 --> 00:03:36,069 day and following Joe Benna mu dr. 'he 73 00:03:43,770 --> 00:03:38,950 may not add myself once again venture 74 00:03:46,830 --> 00:03:43,780 into the mind body spirit mind body what 75 00:03:48,899 --> 00:03:46,840 as we love to call it festival in sydney 76 00:03:51,569 --> 00:03:48,909 every six months this comes around it's 77 00:03:55,140 --> 00:03:51,579 quite amazing what do we find do we find 78 00:03:59,129 --> 00:03:55,150 any shady practices heaven forbid any 79 00:04:00,990 --> 00:03:59,139 quackery no surely not now report coming 80 00:04:03,330 --> 00:04:01,000 up towards the end of the show and to 81 00:04:06,330 --> 00:04:03,340 round off the show Maynard comes back 82 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:06,340 with me nuts spooky action a short piece 83 00:04:14,610 --> 00:04:12,310 about tubers yes well I thought you 84 00:04:17,009 --> 00:04:14,620 might need a bit of light relief at the 85 00:04:20,129 --> 00:04:17,019 end of today's show short segments all 86 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:20,139 about tubers mmm I used to play at uber 87 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:22,930 in the high school jazz band in fact I 88 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:26,320 really did a long time ago yeah I look 89 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:28,449 forward to her to listening to that now 90 00:04:35,580 --> 00:04:32,130 I'm going to run downstairs what 91 00:04:38,999 --> 00:04:35,590 homeopathic chicken soup which means no 92 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:39,009 chicken and no soup no stuff that I'm 93 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:40,810 gonna have some real soup I'm going to 94 00:05:02,280 --> 00:04:42,970 do that when i'll let you enjoy the 95 00:05:10,030 --> 00:05:04,770 Lord Chancellor Kenneth Clark has 96 00:05:12,750 --> 00:05:10,040 presented the speech to Her Majesty my 97 00:05:16,210 --> 00:05:12,760 Lords and members of the highest Commons 98 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:16,220 my government's legislative program will 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:19,370 focus on economic growth justice and 100 00:05:28,510 --> 00:05:26,210 constitutional reform legislation will 101 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:28,520 be introduced to protect freedom of 102 00:05:39,070 --> 00:05:36,610 and to comment on this interesting 103 00:05:43,510 --> 00:05:39,080 development from the UK we have dr. 104 00:05:45,550 --> 00:05:43,520 Simon Singh hello Simon hello now I've 105 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:45,560 just been sort of looking at Twitter and 106 00:05:50,230 --> 00:05:47,810 looking at Facebook and various things 107 00:05:52,300 --> 00:05:50,240 on the internet saying that Her Majesty 108 00:05:54,670 --> 00:05:52,310 the Queen has made this announcement in 109 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:54,680 Parliament what are your hopes and what 110 00:05:59,140 --> 00:05:55,730 do you think it's going to mean 111 00:06:00,730 --> 00:05:59,150 realistically well it's a massive step 112 00:06:04,170 --> 00:06:00,740 forward because I think it's been about 113 00:06:07,060 --> 00:06:04,180 four years since skeptics bloggers 114 00:06:08,710 --> 00:06:07,070 scientists free speech campaigners in 115 00:06:11,970 --> 00:06:08,720 general human rights groups you name it 116 00:06:14,620 --> 00:06:11,980 have been asking for libel reform and 117 00:06:17,110 --> 00:06:14,630 they're in various committees various 118 00:06:20,830 --> 00:06:17,120 groups working groups or who have said 119 00:06:22,780 --> 00:06:20,840 that libel reform necessary and now we 120 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:22,790 actually have the promise of a bill we 121 00:06:26,350 --> 00:06:23,810 actually have a promise that the 122 00:06:27,940 --> 00:06:26,360 government is going to act so we've been 123 00:06:29,290 --> 00:06:27,950 kind of trying to work out what the 124 00:06:30,460 --> 00:06:29,300 government will do and the noises have 125 00:06:32,950 --> 00:06:30,470 been very good just because of the 126 00:06:34,570 --> 00:06:32,960 amount of work that's been going on so 127 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:34,580 we were very optimistic but it's only 128 00:06:38,590 --> 00:06:36,890 until the Queen herself announces it 129 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:38,600 that you know for sure something's going 130 00:06:43,810 --> 00:06:41,810 to happen and so do you imagine now 131 00:06:46,780 --> 00:06:43,820 there's going to be more debate on it or 132 00:06:48,310 --> 00:06:46,790 is it a foregone conclusion I our 133 00:06:50,940 --> 00:06:48,320 international listeners and for my 134 00:06:53,230 --> 00:06:50,950 benefit to what's the process now 135 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:53,240 there's been a lot of work so far 136 00:06:56,110 --> 00:06:54,530 there's been what's called a scrutiny 137 00:06:58,060 --> 00:06:56,120 committee in there was a select 138 00:07:00,730 --> 00:06:58,070 committee and there's a draft bill that 139 00:07:02,620 --> 00:07:00,740 already exists and now the question is 140 00:07:04,510 --> 00:07:02,630 can we improve on that draft bill 141 00:07:05,860 --> 00:07:04,520 because in some ways it's quite good 142 00:07:08,170 --> 00:07:05,870 for example you listeners may be aware 143 00:07:10,689 --> 00:07:08,180 of libel tourism whereby people from 144 00:07:12,460 --> 00:07:10,699 overseas will come in su in London to 145 00:07:14,649 --> 00:07:12,470 shut down their critics so we have 146 00:07:16,689 --> 00:07:14,659 Ukrainian oligarchs suing these papers 147 00:07:18,550 --> 00:07:16,699 in London Icelandic banks in Danish 148 00:07:20,499 --> 00:07:18,560 newspapers in London ridiculous things 149 00:07:22,749 --> 00:07:20,509 so for the international audience what's 150 00:07:26,649 --> 00:07:22,759 important is that the draft bill already 151 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:26,659 tries to address libel tourism what the 152 00:07:32,260 --> 00:07:29,810 bill doesn't yet address our are the way 153 00:07:33,879 --> 00:07:32,270 the corporations can sue for libel I 154 00:07:36,430 --> 00:07:33,889 know in Australia that large 155 00:07:38,710 --> 00:07:36,440 corporations are banned from suing in 156 00:07:42,550 --> 00:07:38,720 libel now in a way that sounds a bit 157 00:07:44,499 --> 00:07:42,560 unfair but the positives are that it's 158 00:07:46,510 --> 00:07:44,509 very important that we can challenge and 159 00:07:47,860 --> 00:07:46,520 question these giant corporations that 160 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:47,870 have such a massive influence on our 161 00:07:53,290 --> 00:07:50,330 lives and clear moving companies it may 162 00:07:56,290 --> 00:07:53,300 be selling quack therapies and they have 163 00:07:58,930 --> 00:07:56,300 other ways of seeking redress so libel 164 00:08:01,360 --> 00:07:58,940 is not necessary for a company all it 165 00:08:03,369 --> 00:08:01,370 does is it shuts down criticism so 166 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:03,379 corporations I think we need to be more 167 00:08:08,589 --> 00:08:06,770 more song it on and secondly the Public 168 00:08:10,510 --> 00:08:08,599 Interest defense there is a public 169 00:08:14,110 --> 00:08:10,520 interest defense in the draft defamation 170 00:08:15,939 --> 00:08:14,120 bill but it's quite weak and that's the 171 00:08:17,350 --> 00:08:15,949 most important type of journalism that's 172 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:17,360 what bloggers can writer back that's 173 00:08:21,339 --> 00:08:19,310 what investigator lists can write about 174 00:08:22,629 --> 00:08:21,349 that's what what what really matters of 175 00:08:24,339 --> 00:08:22,639 serious public interest of the 176 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:24,349 environment of health that's where we 177 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:26,150 need a bit more protection from the new 178 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:29,289 libel libel or the new detonation bill 179 00:08:34,420 --> 00:08:31,849 assignment is good news judging by the 180 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:34,430 the tweets and the the messages flying 181 00:08:40,329 --> 00:08:37,250 about the internet and we hope that this 182 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:40,339 is the first major step into new laws 183 00:08:45,340 --> 00:08:43,250 that will not only protect and help 184 00:08:47,710 --> 00:08:45,350 citizens of the UK but citizens around 185 00:08:50,860 --> 00:08:47,720 the world yeah and a big thanks to 186 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:50,870 everybody in a skeptics in Australia and 187 00:08:54,310 --> 00:08:52,610 elsewhere around the world who backed us 188 00:08:56,949 --> 00:08:54,320 and support us because it was I think 189 00:08:58,180 --> 00:08:56,959 you know your clamoring it said that a 190 00:09:00,040 --> 00:08:58,190 country like England which which which 191 00:09:02,410 --> 00:09:00,050 we think of in terms of justice fair 192 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:02,420 play that we were the free speech pariah 193 00:09:05,769 --> 00:09:03,649 and that we needed to get our act 194 00:09:08,139 --> 00:09:05,779 together so that international pressure 195 00:09:09,940 --> 00:09:08,149 was absolutely important so thank you 196 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:09,950 very much for everybody I think well 197 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:12,170 that's great I mean this is one of the 198 00:09:16,329 --> 00:09:13,850 things that I'm so pleased to be part of 199 00:09:17,740 --> 00:09:16,339 this movement we can actually get 200 00:09:20,050 --> 00:09:17,750 together an effect change 201 00:09:21,700 --> 00:09:20,060 we'll be looking closely over the coming 202 00:09:23,860 --> 00:09:21,710 months on the progression of this bill 203 00:09:34,860 --> 00:09:23,870 but for now thank you for talking to the 204 00:09:39,850 --> 00:09:37,240 brian dunning here if you're close to 205 00:09:42,730 --> 00:09:39,860 st. louis missouri or you can be on May 206 00:09:45,940 --> 00:09:42,740 26th come to the College of curiosity at 207 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:45,950 the mind-blowing City Museum make your 208 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:48,770 plans for this now seriously I'm going 209 00:09:53,110 --> 00:09:50,600 to be there making videos of how to defy 210 00:09:55,810 --> 00:09:53,120 gravity record-holding twelve-year-old 211 00:09:58,510 --> 00:09:55,820 Mathemagician Ethan Brown will make your 212 00:10:00,670 --> 00:09:58,520 brain explode subliminal entertainer 213 00:10:02,740 --> 00:10:00,680 Johnny's avant will show you things you 214 00:10:05,110 --> 00:10:02,750 never knew your brain could do and a 215 00:10:07,090 --> 00:10:05,120 whole slew of PhDs and other folks will 216 00:10:08,830 --> 00:10:07,100 make you just plain glad you've got a 217 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:08,840 brain we're going to make sure that 218 00:10:13,270 --> 00:10:10,730 people of all ages remember this day is 219 00:10:14,980 --> 00:10:13,280 one of their favorites ever just coming 220 00:10:17,770 --> 00:10:14,990 to the city museum is an event in itself 221 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:17,780 being at the college of curiosity is 222 00:10:25,329 --> 00:10:21,250 going to be a revelation come to curious 223 00:10:28,030 --> 00:10:25,339 1729 calm or just google college of 224 00:10:37,379 --> 00:10:28,040 curiosity i really hope to see you there 225 00:10:41,439 --> 00:10:39,730 now listen as I've been speaking to 226 00:10:43,269 --> 00:10:41,449 people all over the world over the last 227 00:10:46,420 --> 00:10:43,279 four years of the skeptic zone but I've 228 00:10:48,129 --> 00:10:46,430 never spoken to anybody in the Caribbean 229 00:10:50,139 --> 00:10:48,139 and I'm delighted to say on the line 230 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:50,149 bouncing off a few satellites no doubt 231 00:10:55,569 --> 00:10:52,610 and probably being redirected via Mars 232 00:10:57,939 --> 00:10:55,579 is Julie ladder hello Julie hey Richard 233 00:10:59,980 --> 00:10:57,949 it's really nice to talk with you know 234 00:11:03,460 --> 00:10:59,990 we first met a couple of years ago at 235 00:11:07,210 --> 00:11:03,470 the amazing meeting in Las Vegas and 236 00:11:09,490 --> 00:11:07,220 since then I we've been sort of in in in 237 00:11:12,250 --> 00:11:09,500 touch and I'm very interested because 238 00:11:13,540 --> 00:11:12,260 you you not only live in a fascinating 239 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:13,550 part of the world and a part of the 240 00:11:16,810 --> 00:11:14,810 world I'd love to visit which is the 241 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:16,820 Caribbean we'll talk about that in a 242 00:11:25,420 --> 00:11:20,810 moment but you're in two very heavily of 243 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:25,430 course into science via our veterinary 244 00:11:32,470 --> 00:11:28,310 science animal science what inspired you 245 00:11:35,199 --> 00:11:32,480 to get into that um I always had two 246 00:11:38,139 --> 00:11:35,209 loves in high school one was life 247 00:11:41,050 --> 00:11:38,149 sciences zoology and I took them from 248 00:11:43,090 --> 00:11:41,060 biology class as well I basically took 249 00:11:46,870 --> 00:11:43,100 every elective echoed in life sciences 250 00:11:49,059 --> 00:11:46,880 and in dramatic literature and when I 251 00:11:51,069 --> 00:11:49,069 went in for my evaluation my counselor 252 00:11:52,449 --> 00:11:51,079 basically told me I didn't have the 253 00:11:54,790 --> 00:11:52,459 grades that it took to get into vet 254 00:11:57,759 --> 00:11:54,800 school so to stick with the English 255 00:12:00,430 --> 00:11:57,769 major and I did and I failed out of my 256 00:12:04,269 --> 00:12:00,440 first year of college and took a couple 257 00:12:06,189 --> 00:12:04,279 of years to wait tables and evaluate 258 00:12:10,449 --> 00:12:06,199 what I really wanted and I decided to go 259 00:12:12,370 --> 00:12:10,459 for the vet thing and I I did you did 260 00:12:14,860 --> 00:12:12,380 you wanted to do it after all and 261 00:12:17,290 --> 00:12:14,870 despite what you had told you you went 262 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:17,300 for it yeah and I just made the Dean's 263 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:21,769 List last semester so haha I'm so haha 264 00:12:27,910 --> 00:12:24,410 that's right revenge is sweet isn't it 265 00:12:29,860 --> 00:12:27,920 very well in a way now you you are at 266 00:12:32,230 --> 00:12:29,870 the moment you're based on the island of 267 00:12:36,610 --> 00:12:32,240 st. Kitts i am i attend ross university 268 00:12:38,889 --> 00:12:36,620 here now why on earth did you end up all 269 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:38,899 the way over there 270 00:12:43,660 --> 00:12:40,850 one of the great things about the 271 00:12:47,799 --> 00:12:43,670 Caribbean schools is that they can 272 00:12:49,449 --> 00:12:47,809 afford to look at the whole person I 273 00:12:52,540 --> 00:12:49,459 hate to use that phrase because it's 274 00:12:55,299 --> 00:12:52,550 what holistic people use but they don't 275 00:12:58,119 --> 00:12:55,309 just strictly look at GPA the state 276 00:13:00,220 --> 00:12:58,129 schools you tend to just be a value a 277 00:13:02,710 --> 00:13:00,230 number on a piece of paper on your 278 00:13:04,389 --> 00:13:02,720 application and Ross looks at GPA but 279 00:13:06,579 --> 00:13:04,399 they also look into things like 280 00:13:09,669 --> 00:13:06,589 experience and if you've overcome 281 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:09,679 academic struggles in the past and way 282 00:13:14,169 --> 00:13:12,050 those just as heavily and I had had 283 00:13:18,129 --> 00:13:14,179 previous academic struggles that kept me 284 00:13:20,590 --> 00:13:18,139 out of the the state schools and I was 285 00:13:23,619 --> 00:13:20,600 able to explain there was an interview 286 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:23,629 with Ross and how I worked very hard to 287 00:13:27,220 --> 00:13:25,850 get my GPA out of the gutter after 288 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:27,230 failing out of my first attempt at 289 00:13:34,689 --> 00:13:30,529 college and they look very favorably on 290 00:13:36,669 --> 00:13:34,699 that and they admitted me oh well that's 291 00:13:38,739 --> 00:13:36,679 that's that's great as long as you can 292 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:38,749 go and do what you wanted to do and do 293 00:13:43,540 --> 00:13:42,290 the courses you wanted to do oh I think 294 00:13:46,030 --> 00:13:43,550 that's fantastic and it must be very 295 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:46,040 interesting and different lifestyle 296 00:13:50,169 --> 00:13:48,050 living in that part of the world and of 297 00:13:54,069 --> 00:13:50,179 course of course lucky you you're 298 00:13:56,379 --> 00:13:54,079 exposed to lots of cricket I've only 299 00:13:58,809 --> 00:13:56,389 seen it played once and it was kind of 300 00:14:02,319 --> 00:13:58,819 the what on earth is going on oh okay 301 00:14:04,119 --> 00:14:02,329 that's what Creek is well they 302 00:14:07,179 --> 00:14:04,129 cricket-mad in the Caribbean they got a 303 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:07,189 very famous of cricket team there 304 00:14:11,980 --> 00:14:09,050 collectively known as the West Indies or 305 00:14:14,199 --> 00:14:11,990 the windies and they often they come to 306 00:14:15,999 --> 00:14:14,209 Australia every three or four years to 307 00:14:18,730 --> 00:14:16,009 play a season and and our Australian 308 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:18,740 cricket sideward just over there a month 309 00:14:23,379 --> 00:14:20,870 ago playing in a cricket season yeah 310 00:14:26,049 --> 00:14:23,389 yeah there's a big to do with the 311 00:14:27,610 --> 00:14:26,059 cricket tournament here well I'm so glad 312 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:27,620 that you're at last exposed to some 313 00:14:35,259 --> 00:14:30,769 something resembling civilization ouch 314 00:14:37,239 --> 00:14:35,269 okay is cricket the great game of 315 00:14:39,220 --> 00:14:37,249 civilization around the world never mind 316 00:14:42,929 --> 00:14:39,230 about that let's get back to animals and 317 00:14:45,129 --> 00:14:42,939 let's get back to your love of rodents 318 00:14:49,150 --> 00:14:45,139 especially rats now what is it about 319 00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:49,160 rats I am I had a mouse when I was eight 320 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:50,600 years old I begged in bed 321 00:14:56,350 --> 00:14:52,370 been bagged until my parents got me a 322 00:14:57,759 --> 00:14:56,360 pet mouse and when i was 21 i started 323 00:15:00,160 --> 00:14:57,769 working at an animal shelter and there's 324 00:15:02,769 --> 00:15:00,170 this little white rat that was all alone 325 00:15:04,030 --> 00:15:02,779 and very timid and i just decided one 326 00:15:05,949 --> 00:15:04,040 day you know i'm just going to take him 327 00:15:08,620 --> 00:15:05,959 home i had a mouse i know you know i got 328 00:15:11,350 --> 00:15:08,630 this and it was completely different 329 00:15:13,629 --> 00:15:11,360 they're very social they require to be 330 00:15:15,850 --> 00:15:13,639 at least it impairs and so I ended up 331 00:15:18,579 --> 00:15:15,860 with the one and one turned into three 332 00:15:20,530 --> 00:15:18,589 and three turned into four and I just 333 00:15:22,420 --> 00:15:20,540 fell in love they're like Bulldogs they 334 00:15:24,819 --> 00:15:22,430 had their own personalities they for the 335 00:15:26,350 --> 00:15:24,829 names know your voice they're very 336 00:15:28,809 --> 00:15:26,360 excited to see you when you come home 337 00:15:31,780 --> 00:15:28,819 and they have about a two year lifespan 338 00:15:34,180 --> 00:15:31,790 I seem to remember yeah about two two 339 00:15:36,129 --> 00:15:34,190 and a half mine live to be three and a 340 00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:36,139 half so that's really getting up there 341 00:15:42,189 --> 00:15:38,240 the oldest i've heard of is a little 342 00:15:46,050 --> 00:15:42,199 over four years old wow yeah wow they a 343 00:15:48,309 --> 00:15:46,060 short but happy life for some rats yeah 344 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:48,319 now let's get back into the more serious 345 00:15:52,689 --> 00:15:50,690 side you you in your studies of 346 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:52,699 veterinary sciences which it sounds like 347 00:15:57,610 --> 00:15:54,529 a what a what a wonderful and 348 00:16:00,910 --> 00:15:57,620 fascinating area that is to to devote 349 00:16:05,410 --> 00:16:00,920 your life to you have come across in 350 00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:05,420 your adventures as listeners may even 351 00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:08,720 read on your blog your blog post which 352 00:16:18,780 --> 00:16:16,639 is my D V n vacation blogspot.com you 353 00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:18,790 run into some adventures with 354 00:16:27,249 --> 00:16:22,399 alternative medicine used in veterinary 355 00:16:29,230 --> 00:16:27,259 practice yep I have especially and this 356 00:16:31,629 --> 00:16:29,240 interests me is especially applied 357 00:16:35,650 --> 00:16:31,639 kinesiology how have you seen applied 358 00:16:39,069 --> 00:16:35,660 kinesiology used on animals I was at a 359 00:16:41,949 --> 00:16:39,079 practice and I was called in to anas to 360 00:16:44,439 --> 00:16:41,959 assist with an evaluation of a dog that 361 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:44,449 had bacterial myocarditis she had a 362 00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:46,610 staph infection that originated on her 363 00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:48,560 skin and had moved into her blood and 364 00:16:54,460 --> 00:16:51,279 it's a very serious condition and she 365 00:16:57,569 --> 00:16:54,470 she was on IV drip antibiotics but they 366 00:16:59,650 --> 00:16:57,579 were also doing some alternatives 367 00:17:01,090 --> 00:16:59,660 acupuncture and aromatherapy and such 368 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:01,100 and they were doing applied kinesiology 369 00:17:08,090 --> 00:17:03,570 and the vet called me 370 00:17:10,430 --> 00:17:08,100 and she had me hold a vial of the dog's 371 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:10,440 blood against her abdomen and then hold 372 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:14,010 out my arm my other arm and she pressed 373 00:17:19,310 --> 00:17:17,310 down on it and the theory was how far 374 00:17:21,530 --> 00:17:19,320 she could press down on my arm was how 375 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:21,540 high the bacterial count in the blood in 376 00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:24,329 the vial was and her body was either 377 00:17:31,570 --> 00:17:27,360 accepting or rejecting the blood was 378 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:31,580 this April the first no and fire setting 379 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:34,050 I'm sure I'm absolutely shocked i have 380 00:17:40,060 --> 00:17:37,170 it i mean i i've seen it and I just as 381 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:40,070 my listeners know I I was I'm regularly 382 00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:42,690 exposed to applies kinesiology when I go 383 00:17:46,850 --> 00:17:44,310 to mind body spirit festivals and they 384 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:46,860 do all those funny fake tests but to 385 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:50,130 think it's been actually done in in in a 386 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:52,530 situation as you just described I'm 387 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:55,050 absolutely doesn't take a lot to 388 00:18:01,700 --> 00:17:57,210 surprise me but I am surprised to hear 389 00:18:03,260 --> 00:18:01,710 that how did you react to that I could 390 00:18:05,420 --> 00:18:03,270 have remained professional I didn't pass 391 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:05,430 commentary on it in the office or to the 392 00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:08,970 vet or to the client especially I think 393 00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:10,320 something might have shown in my face 394 00:18:17,150 --> 00:18:13,440 either confusion or incredulous pneus 395 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:17,160 because things started going downhill at 396 00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:20,490 work from there and I was let go not too 397 00:18:27,410 --> 00:18:24,720 much later for a host of bizarre reasons 398 00:18:30,410 --> 00:18:27,420 but so I think she kind of caught on 399 00:18:34,010 --> 00:18:30,420 that i wasn't toeing the party line with 400 00:18:36,260 --> 00:18:34,020 the alternative treatments i'm i'm i'm 401 00:18:38,090 --> 00:18:36,270 still i'm quite amazed i'm trying to 402 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:38,100 picture it i'm sure all the listeners i 403 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:39,930 just picturing in their minds are you 404 00:18:46,340 --> 00:18:42,330 standing there with a the dog and the 405 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:46,350 armony all this going on and it really 406 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:48,210 cracked me up about that really quick 407 00:18:53,450 --> 00:18:50,850 was um it was a what we call a purple 408 00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:53,460 top that has a chemical called EDTA in 409 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:56,400 it that is an anticoagulant so if 410 00:19:00,680 --> 00:18:58,290 anything I would think of that let's 411 00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:00,690 just assume the theory is true and her 412 00:19:05,710 --> 00:19:03,120 body is rejecting something in the blood 413 00:19:08,270 --> 00:19:05,720 that's contaminating it I would think it 414 00:19:12,590 --> 00:19:08,280 anticoagulants would be something that 415 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:12,600 her body would react to and reject yeah 416 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:15,690 that's just amazing and so that they 417 00:19:20,030 --> 00:19:17,450 were trying all sorts of 418 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:20,040 alternative its again I hate to use the 419 00:19:24,260 --> 00:19:22,410 word on the phrase alternative medicine 420 00:19:28,940 --> 00:19:24,270 in this case it wasn't it was simply 421 00:19:30,620 --> 00:19:28,950 bizarre quackery I'd have to say but it 422 00:19:33,770 --> 00:19:30,630 does lead to an interesting issue a lot 423 00:19:38,210 --> 00:19:33,780 of people homeopaths especially I've 424 00:19:40,730 --> 00:19:38,220 noticed used the argument well homie up 425 00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:40,740 you say homeopathy is just perceive oh 426 00:19:45,140 --> 00:19:43,440 it can't be because it works on animals 427 00:19:48,650 --> 00:19:45,150 and children and if we can concentrate 428 00:19:50,930 --> 00:19:48,660 on animals now I have my suspicions and 429 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:50,940 I think the general skeptical community 430 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:54,450 has their suspicions as to why people 431 00:19:59,540 --> 00:19:57,090 would say homeopathy and maybe even this 432 00:20:02,900 --> 00:19:59,550 kinesiology seems to work on animals 433 00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:02,910 what's your take on that there's a 434 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:05,910 there's a couple of reasons why you 435 00:20:10,340 --> 00:20:07,890 might see an improvement in a sick 436 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:10,350 animal that's receiving a quote-unquote 437 00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:14,250 alternative treatment that you know 438 00:20:19,340 --> 00:20:17,760 there's two schools about on placebo and 439 00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:19,350 animals and what that it works and one 440 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:22,400 is that it can't it's not possible but 441 00:20:27,530 --> 00:20:24,690 completely beyond whether or not animals 442 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:27,540 can experience a placebo effect that 443 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:30,210 owners overall mood to improve from 444 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:32,370 their tone of voice their body language 445 00:20:36,020 --> 00:20:34,170 and how they interact with their animal 446 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:36,030 when their expectations are that the 447 00:20:39,470 --> 00:20:38,130 animal is going to get better the way 448 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:39,480 that they interact with their animal 449 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:42,960 will change also adding any therapeutic 450 00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:47,610 regimen whether bringing them in for a 451 00:20:53,180 --> 00:20:51,360 blood draw or fluids or a homeopathic 452 00:20:55,730 --> 00:20:53,190 treatment or an acupuncture session 453 00:21:00,080 --> 00:20:55,740 session they're going to get some 454 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:00,090 hands-on petting and talking to and that 455 00:21:04,940 --> 00:21:01,890 kind of attention can also have a 456 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:04,950 positive effect in and of itself run so 457 00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:06,570 it's not necessarily the treatment has 458 00:21:11,330 --> 00:21:08,700 to be working it's just that the dogs 459 00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:11,340 getting attention and so their mood will 460 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:14,640 be improved so yeah I can see see what 461 00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:16,110 you're talking about there and also of 462 00:21:21,050 --> 00:21:19,110 course the owner feels like they've 463 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:21,060 actually done something positive they've 464 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:23,010 taken the dog somewhere or the cattle 465 00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,770 whatever it is and the expectation is 466 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:27,600 that now that the animals had this 467 00:21:30,830 --> 00:21:29,310 treatment things should be fine they've 468 00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:30,840 got a happier feeling about it 469 00:21:37,340 --> 00:21:33,000 well the animal probably will recover 470 00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:37,350 any way of its own accord and hence it's 471 00:21:43,340 --> 00:21:39,720 reported back oh yes after i visited you 472 00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:43,350 Oh magic witch doctor the the rat felt a 473 00:21:49,250 --> 00:21:47,220 lot better whatever the case may be just 474 00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:49,260 and being here enrolled in vet school 475 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:51,000 and it's not unique to ross university 476 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:52,770 it's something i'm hearing from students 477 00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:54,330 who are enrolled in state schools as 478 00:22:00,830 --> 00:21:58,020 well in the US and perhaps we'll just 479 00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,840 casually casually drop in mentions of 480 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:02,880 all of the dogs was getting treatment x 481 00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:05,130 and y 0 and also a homeopathic treatment 482 00:22:09,650 --> 00:22:07,620 or i actually had a clicker question 483 00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:09,660 during class on which one of the 484 00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:11,220 following is not true and one of the 485 00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:13,500 things in the list was that a certain 486 00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:17,700 acupuncture point is beneficial towards 487 00:22:27,050 --> 00:22:20,460 the lungs and it was one of the true 488 00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:27,060 options so yeah it's a bizarre sort of 489 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:29,100 environment i actually had a friend 490 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:31,650 recently referred to me as Little Miss I 491 00:22:35,740 --> 00:22:32,820 won't accept anything without a 492 00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:35,750 double-blind study oh what a compliment 493 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:41,700 that's terrific yeah and she said it 494 00:22:46,460 --> 00:22:43,770 with such a tone of you know Oh Julie it 495 00:22:48,050 --> 00:22:46,470 was kind of a moment where I just kind 496 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:48,060 of stood outside myself and went how 497 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:50,210 bizarre that I'm getting ridiculed for 498 00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:52,770 demanding evidence before I'll I'll 499 00:22:58,610 --> 00:22:55,710 pursue a treatment option absolutely uh 500 00:23:01,310 --> 00:22:58,620 I I would be pleased to be called the 501 00:23:03,050 --> 00:23:01,320 guy who would accept anything would have 502 00:23:05,030 --> 00:23:03,060 a double-blind test and I conduct 503 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:05,040 double-blind test myself but it is a 504 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:06,570 little bit frightening because a lot of 505 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:09,330 these things I think are assumed by a 506 00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:11,370 large section of the population to be 507 00:23:16,220 --> 00:23:14,760 real or they work and so do you think 508 00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:16,230 there's a lack of critical thinking 509 00:23:21,140 --> 00:23:19,380 being taught it's like I said is the 510 00:23:22,820 --> 00:23:21,150 kind of bizarre environment because we 511 00:23:25,220 --> 00:23:22,830 do have it we I just took at the 512 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:25,230 genealogy last semester and they taught 513 00:23:30,170 --> 00:23:27,330 us all about statistical analysis and 514 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:30,180 how to to reject or accept the null 515 00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:33,030 hypothesis and how to evaluate studies 516 00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,740 and they even said you know not 517 00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:37,200 everything published is a good study you 518 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:38,640 need to know how to evaluate these 519 00:23:42,810 --> 00:23:41,430 studies and know whether to accept their 520 00:23:45,330 --> 00:23:42,820 conclusions or not 521 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:45,340 and on the other hand we're getting 522 00:23:51,450 --> 00:23:47,769 taught the acupuncture and homeopathy 523 00:23:54,389 --> 00:23:51,460 are acceptable treatments ANCA it's a 524 00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:54,399 double-edged sword kind of and it's 525 00:24:00,509 --> 00:23:58,480 confusing it's ki can see that and 526 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:00,519 especially it would be confusing to the 527 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:03,970 to the average person in the street well 528 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:06,730 Julie what do you hope to do after after 529 00:24:11,549 --> 00:24:09,250 your time in the in the Paradise which 530 00:24:15,619 --> 00:24:11,559 is that the Caribbean and you move back 531 00:24:19,139 --> 00:24:15,629 to the States what is your goal there 532 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:19,149 when I first entered that school I had 533 00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:21,730 sort of decided I wanted to go into 534 00:24:28,169 --> 00:24:26,529 small animal exotic practice exotics 535 00:24:30,330 --> 00:24:28,179 doesn't mean mines and tigers and bears 536 00:24:32,490 --> 00:24:30,340 a lot of people assume that that's zoo 537 00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,500 animal exotics are reptiles birds 538 00:24:38,009 --> 00:24:34,480 rodents ferrets rabbits that kind of 539 00:24:40,860 --> 00:24:38,019 thing the longer I've been here and 540 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:40,870 especially working with some of my 541 00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:42,820 professors I'm leaning more towards lab 542 00:24:48,539 --> 00:24:45,340 animal I really think I could make a 543 00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:48,549 positive impact in getting some reform 544 00:24:54,049 --> 00:24:50,590 in laboratory animal medicine especially 545 00:24:57,499 --> 00:24:54,059 care and housing and behavioral at 546 00:25:03,029 --> 00:24:57,509 treatment of lab animals especially but 547 00:25:05,879 --> 00:25:03,039 beyond just the career path I'm becoming 548 00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:05,889 more passionate about wanting to speak 549 00:25:10,409 --> 00:25:08,350 out and become a voice and a face in a 550 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:10,419 public figure for veterinary medicine 551 00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:12,250 and skepticism with in veterinary 552 00:25:17,460 --> 00:25:15,100 medicine I think that's a very noble 553 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:17,470 cause indeed Julie the skeptical that it 554 00:25:27,899 --> 00:25:23,850 has a nice ring to it yeah Tim someday 555 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:27,909 now how long before you complete your 556 00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:30,970 work there in the Caribbean we do two 557 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:33,309 and a half years down here I've 558 00:25:38,820 --> 00:25:36,250 completed a year and a half so I have 559 00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:38,830 one more year to go and then we have a 560 00:25:44,999 --> 00:25:41,590 clinical year just like MDS where we do 561 00:25:46,769 --> 00:25:45,009 rotations through the different fields 562 00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:46,779 where we do a small animal a large 563 00:25:51,629 --> 00:25:50,289 animal and exotic rotation and then once 564 00:25:54,060 --> 00:25:51,639 you're done with your clinical year you 565 00:25:57,090 --> 00:25:54,070 take being badly which is our board exam 566 00:25:59,820 --> 00:25:57,100 and you're a vet hopefully wow that's 567 00:26:02,250 --> 00:25:59,830 fantastic well if i ever i'm in the same 568 00:26:07,580 --> 00:26:02,260 location as you and my rat has a cough 569 00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,590 I'll know where to go yeah definitely 570 00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:09,760 well it's good to know that there's 571 00:26:14,820 --> 00:26:11,380 someone out like you going through the 572 00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:14,830 the rigors the rigors of of study to 573 00:26:19,710 --> 00:26:16,750 become a vet and to push science and 574 00:26:22,260 --> 00:26:19,720 skepticism along the way I wish you 575 00:26:24,660 --> 00:26:22,270 every success for your the rest of your 576 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:24,670 studies Julie and I really hope that we 577 00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:27,130 can meet up again hopefully add an 578 00:26:31,050 --> 00:26:28,780 amazing meeting not too far down the 579 00:26:33,660 --> 00:26:31,060 track and talking about exotic animals 580 00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:33,670 are when you come to Australia which you 581 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:36,310 no doubt will I can show you many exotic 582 00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:39,730 animals yeah but half of them can kill 583 00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:43,980 me but the other half are quite nice 584 00:26:49,290 --> 00:26:46,990 okay don't worry about it Julie ladder 585 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:49,300 all the way from wonderful some kits in 586 00:26:53,310 --> 00:26:51,610 the Caribbean the skeptical that Julie 587 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:53,320 the skeptical that thank you very much 588 00:27:12,669 --> 00:26:55,810 for talking to the skeptic zone thank 589 00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:15,320 hello I'm Finn I'm co-host of the 590 00:27:19,580 --> 00:27:17,159 skipper Collins podcaster podcast from 591 00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:19,590 Dublin Ireland we look at things of a 592 00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:21,179 skeptical nature from an Irish point of 593 00:27:31,060 --> 00:27:24,779 view you can find us on WWF for coins 594 00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:31,070 com that's sk EP or e CH a UNS com 595 00:27:34,430 --> 00:27:33,240 please listen to us and give us some 596 00:27:49,170 --> 00:27:34,440 feedback we love hearing from our 597 00:28:04,450 --> 00:27:53,860 here's food for thought it's reality 598 00:28:06,250 --> 00:28:04,460 bites with Joe and Ben amoud the twelfth 599 00:28:08,980 --> 00:28:06,260 of May's celebrated worldwide is 600 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:08,990 international Nurses Day nursing as a 601 00:28:13,660 --> 00:28:10,850 profession has struggled to rise above 602 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:13,670 its origins in the nightingale era so on 603 00:28:17,710 --> 00:28:15,530 international nurses day it is pertinent 604 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:17,720 to recognize how far the profession has 605 00:28:23,470 --> 00:28:20,330 come and to dispel some of the myths in 606 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:23,480 their book saving lives why the media's 607 00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:25,570 portrayal of nurses puts us all at risk 608 00:28:29,770 --> 00:28:28,130 sandy summers in Harry Jacob summers 609 00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:29,780 explained that nursing is now a 610 00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:32,270 self-governing profession and a distinct 611 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:34,910 scientific discipline despite these 612 00:28:38,740 --> 00:28:37,010 advances many still hold on to 613 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:38,750 old-fashioned notions of kindly 614 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:40,910 level-headed young girls in starched 615 00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:42,890 white dresses mocking patients brows 616 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:46,550 wiping bottoms and emptying bedpans the 617 00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:47,930 professional nurses role has changed 618 00:28:52,930 --> 00:28:50,360 dramatically as advances have been made 619 00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:52,940 in medicine and technology nurse 620 00:28:58,750 --> 00:28:55,190 academics and clinicians have forged the 621 00:29:00,490 --> 00:28:58,760 way across Australia we see nursing 622 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:00,500 academics engaged in research in 623 00:29:05,890 --> 00:29:03,050 Oncology and palliative care intensive 624 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:05,900 care trauma and emergency chronic 625 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:08,450 disease pediatrics and neonatal care and 626 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:11,330 mental health nurses have made major 627 00:29:15,310 --> 00:29:13,250 contributions to developing public 628 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:15,320 health policy health management and 629 00:29:20,530 --> 00:29:18,170 informatics the use of simulation in 630 00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:20,540 clinical practice has been pioneered by 631 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:23,600 nurses nursing professors such as Mary 632 00:29:27,730 --> 00:29:25,250 chiarella at the University of Sydney 633 00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,740 have made significant contributions to 634 00:29:32,170 --> 00:29:29,840 developing innovative models of care and 635 00:29:35,230 --> 00:29:32,180 framing discussions around end-of-life 636 00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:35,240 care Sharon McKinley professor of 637 00:29:39,130 --> 00:29:37,190 critical care nursing at the University 638 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:39,140 of Technology in Sydney has done 639 00:29:44,140 --> 00:29:41,450 extensive research into the experiences 640 00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:44,150 of adult intensive care patients and how 641 00:29:48,190 --> 00:29:45,860 their experiences impact on their 642 00:29:51,220 --> 00:29:48,200 recovery these are just a few examples 643 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:51,230 of the work being done in nursing today 644 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:52,970 this is not to discount the 645 00:29:56,980 --> 00:29:54,530 contributions of Florence Nightingale 646 00:29:59,169 --> 00:29:56,990 who effectively developed nursing as a 647 00:30:01,659 --> 00:29:59,179 profession and propelled it towards its 648 00:30:03,580 --> 00:30:01,669 current modern status it was through her 649 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:03,590 efforts that we came to value using 650 00:30:08,110 --> 00:30:06,290 statistics to measure outcomes in order 651 00:30:11,770 --> 00:30:08,120 to decrease the impact of disease and 652 00:30:13,780 --> 00:30:11,780 mortality so in Florence Nightingale we 653 00:30:16,450 --> 00:30:13,790 see an example of what I consider to be 654 00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,460 the best aspects of Nursing embracing 655 00:30:20,980 --> 00:30:18,559 science in an effort to determine truth 656 00:30:23,020 --> 00:30:20,990 and simultaneously affecting positive 657 00:30:25,659 --> 00:30:23,030 change to benefit the human condition in 658 00:30:28,539 --> 00:30:25,669 this post Nightingale era of modern 659 00:30:31,390 --> 00:30:28,549 nursing we see nurses engaged in complex 660 00:30:33,789 --> 00:30:31,400 care utilizing complex technology and 661 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:33,799 using complex scientific knowledge based 662 00:30:37,810 --> 00:30:36,530 on good scientific research does this 663 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:37,820 sound like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's 664 00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:40,970 Nest battle-ax nurse ratched or mashers 665 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:44,480 buxom Hot Lips Houlihan an international 666 00:30:50,770 --> 00:30:47,690 nurses day we say congratulations to the 667 00:31:01,000 --> 00:30:50,780 nurses of today you've come a long way 668 00:31:06,970 --> 00:31:01,010 baby this is an EVP I recorded last 669 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:06,980 night goosed what's up you guys can't 670 00:31:13,150 --> 00:31:09,410 possibly ignore that type of it who are 671 00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:13,160 you please doing my EVPs of the result 672 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:14,900 of pareidolia I'm cross modulation 673 00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:16,850 combined with the listeners hopes and 674 00:31:21,220 --> 00:31:19,220 expectations what does this have to do 675 00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:21,230 with science 676 00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:25,190 you just got script agree phone well go 677 00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:33,299 see you know skeptically pound com we're 678 00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,880 yes we're back here again of the 679 00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:55,840 mind-body wallet festival in Sydney I'm 680 00:32:00,840 --> 00:31:58,930 with dr. H E hello Richard I may not oh 681 00:32:03,090 --> 00:32:00,850 it's a huge haul that be what do you 682 00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:03,100 reckon 2,000 people in here easily here 683 00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:04,630 they've done all that darling harbour is 684 00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:06,310 filled with people all wandering out 685 00:32:09,030 --> 00:32:07,630 everyone seeming very interested in 686 00:32:11,580 --> 00:32:09,040 what's going on we haven't seen what the 687 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:11,590 big thing is issue usually there's a big 688 00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:12,850 thing that's come out like a power 689 00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:14,470 balance band or there's some new thing 690 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:16,030 and do want to have a guess at what 691 00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,650 might be big this year with you i'm 692 00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:19,840 probably looking at it may night it says 693 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:22,870 all going effects australia it looks 694 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:25,570 like something to do with combating 695 00:32:29,790 --> 00:32:28,090 electromagnetic radiation we can come 696 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:29,800 back and check that out this tae ji 697 00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:33,730 their shins biohealth t down there 698 00:32:42,270 --> 00:32:36,340 psychics vitamins it's all happening 699 00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:42,280 here at the mind-body wallet i will just 700 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:44,830 passed something reaching that said the 701 00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:46,570 leading edge in health science and it 702 00:32:50,850 --> 00:32:49,240 was face reading yeah this they have 703 00:32:53,250 --> 00:32:50,860 photographs of people's faces and then 704 00:32:57,330 --> 00:32:53,260 they've drawn on top over there a body 705 00:32:58,770 --> 00:32:57,340 shape so the legs and the crotch go over 706 00:33:00,750 --> 00:32:58,780 the noise and the legs go around the 707 00:33:02,370 --> 00:33:00,760 cheekbones and then somehow the face 708 00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:02,380 spits up on the top of you for it 709 00:33:07,470 --> 00:33:05,590 Maynard's been there before look don't 710 00:33:08,940 --> 00:33:07,480 we all do face reading every time we try 711 00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:08,950 and meet someone in a club or a pub 712 00:33:13,050 --> 00:33:11,020 really aren't we wondering what's going 713 00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:13,060 on in there and maybe i'd like to find 714 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:17,600 out or not like that 715 00:33:22,090 --> 00:33:19,690 okay but of course there are many things 716 00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:22,100 many people many stalls here giving 717 00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:24,169 readings of one type or another now 718 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:25,910 those people use the gimmick of the face 719 00:33:30,610 --> 00:33:28,490 someone will use the palm is one guy 720 00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:30,620 doing urology over here it's all the 721 00:33:34,210 --> 00:33:32,270 same balls down to basically a 722 00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,220 moralistic old reading but there's 723 00:33:38,590 --> 00:33:36,559 different gimmicks be astrology or tarot 724 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:38,600 cards or anything like that you go to 725 00:33:42,390 --> 00:33:40,490 phase of which it is there's more people 726 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:42,400 here than you could ever get to a 727 00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:44,450 skeptics meeting and now does that make 728 00:33:49,630 --> 00:33:47,840 you feel it's reality may not and this 729 00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:49,640 is easy people can just set up a stall 730 00:33:52,570 --> 00:33:51,110 and flogged whatever they like we have 731 00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:52,580 to actually come up with facts and the 732 00:33:59,950 --> 00:33:57,919 truth it's a lot harder for us we just 733 00:34:02,049 --> 00:33:59,960 passed the bookshop main art and one 734 00:34:05,169 --> 00:34:02,059 book took my attention there it was 735 00:34:07,630 --> 00:34:05,179 called the downfall of the house of 736 00:34:09,220 --> 00:34:07,640 skeptics by Rupert Sheldrake and you 737 00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:09,230 should have seen his face just go off 738 00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:11,030 and I've heard Rupert Sheldrake before a 739 00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:13,310 few people have spoken to their into 740 00:34:17,859 --> 00:34:15,230 alternative practices say he's got 741 00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,869 correct theory that can be tested yeah I 742 00:34:20,889 --> 00:34:19,280 mean he's the guy who came up with the 743 00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:20,899 dog knows when you're coming home all 744 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:22,520 that sort of stuff but it just struck me 745 00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,240 as an outrageous title and I said loudly 746 00:34:30,970 --> 00:34:28,399 so the guy behind the books store could 747 00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,980 could hear me oh what a pity our houses 748 00:34:34,060 --> 00:34:32,240 for I'll have to tell all that the 749 00:34:36,190 --> 00:34:34,070 thousand-plus people at the amazing 750 00:34:38,139 --> 00:34:36,200 meeting but without houses for the but 751 00:34:40,450 --> 00:34:38,149 Richard look it was the new dawn 752 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:40,460 magazine store so really you're not 753 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:42,050 going to find any friends there are you 754 00:34:46,359 --> 00:34:44,090 really I'm not but you know may not as 755 00:34:49,060 --> 00:34:46,369 much as I try and I think I do a really 756 00:34:51,849 --> 00:34:49,070 good job of biting my tongue at these 757 00:34:53,859 --> 00:34:51,859 sort of things sometimes it just gets 758 00:34:55,359 --> 00:34:53,869 the better of me you know I look I think 759 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:55,369 I'm just able to buy a copy of that 760 00:34:59,080 --> 00:34:57,170 magazine or the 14 times and have a good 761 00:35:00,670 --> 00:34:59,090 read of it and I I think you've gone 762 00:35:02,170 --> 00:35:00,680 past that stage it's good seeing you / 763 00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:02,180 up it's good thing which is bar up at 764 00:35:06,099 --> 00:35:03,920 these things he'll someone's he'll go 765 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:06,109 past like the orangutan that's okay but 766 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:08,090 then he gets he gets to the new age ding 767 00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:09,770 any fires right up people I tell you 768 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:11,540 what we just passed 769 00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,370 down there live Blood musgrove 770 00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:15,920 escarpment I got even Satan mask off her 771 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:19,430 feet by Scott Murphy my Scott Murphy you 772 00:35:23,590 --> 00:35:21,530 live Blood my soap opera now I believe 773 00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:23,600 dr. HC wasted many years at University 774 00:35:27,970 --> 00:35:25,300 learning that kind of thing didn't she 775 00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:27,980 apparently she did waste of if he can 776 00:35:32,290 --> 00:35:29,630 just sort of make it up as you go along 777 00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:32,300 I'd we've lost track of dr. HC but I 778 00:35:35,110 --> 00:35:33,920 think she might be I hope she's not 779 00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:35,120 arguing with them because she did that 780 00:35:38,590 --> 00:35:36,920 once she could be I'm just gonna go 781 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:38,600 overlooked we better check it out 782 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:42,650 Maynard Maynard I'm looking at a lot of 783 00:35:48,220 --> 00:35:45,050 very relaxed people here lying down on 784 00:35:50,860 --> 00:35:48,230 tables people holding under their feet 785 00:35:53,770 --> 00:35:50,870 and another arm hovering over their 786 00:35:55,810 --> 00:35:53,780 chest now is it does look like massages 787 00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:55,820 it's Reiki or is this role thing is this 788 00:36:01,330 --> 00:35:58,570 it says something about energies and 789 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:01,340 energetics or something so I suppose 790 00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:03,370 it's just sort of a vague combination of 791 00:36:07,930 --> 00:36:05,990 that they'll just use the word energy a 792 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:07,940 lot people lie down shut their eyes and 793 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:11,330 I guess that's how easy it is but they 794 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:13,130 have for benches and I can see if I'm 795 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:15,170 looking quite relaxed I can't see anyone 796 00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:18,050 looking stressed at all no I'd like if I 797 00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:20,270 had a nice lie down here and thought 798 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:22,040 somebody was just taking care of me for 799 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:24,050 20 minutes I feel quite relaxed too well 800 00:36:33,029 --> 00:36:26,570 and look Richard just behind you yeah 801 00:36:39,989 --> 00:36:35,669 you mean he's wooden or the flute well 802 00:36:41,849 --> 00:36:39,999 sure he's a you sort of the way he's 803 00:36:43,859 --> 00:36:41,859 witnessing the music could be described 804 00:36:45,659 --> 00:36:43,869 as wouldn't you could mean but I think 805 00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:45,669 it's not a good look you know yeah well 806 00:36:48,809 --> 00:36:47,169 know what the skeptics might say about 807 00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:48,819 new age music it is relaxing under 808 00:36:51,329 --> 00:36:50,049 certain circumstances I don't think 809 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:51,339 skeptics would have anything to say 810 00:36:56,099 --> 00:36:53,890 about new age music it's music oh okay 811 00:36:58,079 --> 00:36:56,109 so so that's one area that you don't 812 00:36:59,759 --> 00:36:58,089 hear them complain about people have all 813 00:37:02,159 --> 00:36:59,769 sorts of different tastes in music you 814 00:37:04,169 --> 00:37:02,169 know here's complaining about gangster 815 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:04,179 rap I do hear a lot of skeptics 816 00:37:12,989 --> 00:37:06,249 complaining about country music Bo it's 817 00:37:15,479 --> 00:37:12,999 different and then it's mainly me of 818 00:37:18,749 --> 00:37:15,489 course we've lost dr. AG but then we 819 00:37:20,130 --> 00:37:18,759 discovered her she's spraying something 820 00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:20,140 over at the moment we discovered her 821 00:37:24,749 --> 00:37:22,390 nomming at the at the chocolate-covered 822 00:37:26,579 --> 00:37:24,759 strawberries hmm they do look pretty 823 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:26,589 good i mean like you know dr. Reggie oh 824 00:37:29,939 --> 00:37:28,390 ho me off at these bad alternative 825 00:37:31,439 --> 00:37:29,949 practices are bad you know what they 826 00:37:32,489 --> 00:37:31,449 call alternative medicine medicine well 827 00:37:34,049 --> 00:37:32,499 what do they call strawberries would 828 00:37:36,479 --> 00:37:34,059 chocolate on them noms thats what they 829 00:37:37,769 --> 00:37:36,489 call him dr. rachey you sold yourself 830 00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:37,779 out for some chocolate-covered 831 00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:43,119 strawberries Oh Reiki empowerment oh 832 00:37:47,219 --> 00:37:45,400 that's a science if there was chocolate 833 00:37:48,509 --> 00:37:47,229 on it dr. rate should be over there go 834 00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:48,519 and give me some of that Reiki that 835 00:37:51,959 --> 00:37:50,140 chocolate tell that beautiful chocolate 836 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:51,969 covered raikage how is your chocolate 837 00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,890 covered noms I haven't had it I have 838 00:37:57,899 --> 00:37:55,839 jon's eating it but I'll just sprayed 839 00:37:59,880 --> 00:37:57,909 some rose water in my face feel better 840 00:38:03,900 --> 00:37:59,890 is quite nice yeah you can't eat that 841 00:38:08,970 --> 00:38:06,870 I've just walked past the stand of Nova 842 00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:08,980 magazine know the magazine is a free New 843 00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:11,500 Age magazine that you can find out the 844 00:38:16,349 --> 00:38:13,030 front of health food shops and sadly 845 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:16,359 some pharmacies but for the skeptical 846 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:17,650 reader and I think I've mentioned this 847 00:38:21,779 --> 00:38:19,450 before it's a pretty useful resource 848 00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:21,789 it's full of ads and claims and stories 849 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:28,030 and things Nova magazine the cash 850 00:38:32,190 --> 00:38:30,250 machines of ideas throw I'll get you 851 00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:32,200 something I know I copyright i'll be 852 00:38:35,370 --> 00:38:33,940 over to though i'll be strong i'm a now 853 00:38:36,690 --> 00:38:35,380 it's just turned down the offer of 854 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:36,700 getting some veggie chips because once 855 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:38,530 it i'll here she comes yeah look at that 856 00:38:42,270 --> 00:38:40,690 sheepish look on her face she's even got 857 00:38:45,329 --> 00:38:42,280 the official veggie chip bag it's a big 858 00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:45,339 purple bag veggie grain chips let's look 859 00:38:52,170 --> 00:38:49,780 inside I've never seen so many noms I 860 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:52,180 look I think we've found dr. Reggie's 861 00:38:55,799 --> 00:38:53,770 Achilles heel it's actually an Achilles 862 00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:55,809 veggie chip even though it's probably 863 00:39:00,299 --> 00:38:58,450 very similar to potato chips have had on 864 00:39:02,609 --> 00:39:00,309 them it's actually sweet I think we've 865 00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:02,619 got it for the lovely purple bag the 866 00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:04,630 purple bag is like a feed bag she she 867 00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:10,960 did well rach I've just been led away 868 00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:14,020 from the what's what's it called the MV 869 00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:16,390 Susie power bands stir all you got 870 00:39:20,430 --> 00:39:18,700 school right here in charge I was 871 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:20,440 showing the woman doing the the power 872 00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:22,089 balance type demonstrations with the arm 873 00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:24,039 and everything what she was doing I did 874 00:39:30,779 --> 00:39:28,000 it with a rubber band and I swear she 875 00:39:32,609 --> 00:39:30,789 was absolutely perplexed and she did not 876 00:39:34,589 --> 00:39:32,619 realize that she was doing different 877 00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:34,599 things that's that's how it appeared to 878 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:35,920 me anyway I was telling in the 879 00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:37,690 background watching that and I as you 880 00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:39,430 were demonstrating it initially on her 881 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:42,880 customer and then on her I saw this guy 882 00:39:47,250 --> 00:39:44,529 sort of appear from out the back of the 883 00:39:48,990 --> 00:39:47,260 store and sweep around the back and just 884 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:49,000 sort of watch what was going on and then 885 00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:51,130 slowly make his move in towards you get 886 00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:52,630 me away from the story here the hell 887 00:39:58,019 --> 00:39:55,359 away from the hair oh well I mean he 888 00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:58,029 says he'll take us up on on our hundred 889 00:40:02,010 --> 00:39:59,880 thousand dollars he was quite 890 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:02,020 disgruntled but do you think that he's a 891 00:40:06,539 --> 00:40:04,930 believer as well hard to say I think she 892 00:40:08,190 --> 00:40:06,549 could have been actually because when I 893 00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,200 when I showed her exactly what she was 894 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:10,480 doing she was just really confused and 895 00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:11,650 couldn't accept what I was saying was 896 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:13,119 interesting she appeared to be a 897 00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:15,609 believer man I don't think he because I 898 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:17,859 was watching from a distance and he 899 00:40:23,069 --> 00:40:19,930 seemed to sweep in straight away as if 900 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:23,079 to say here's trouble here so oh well it 901 00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:24,730 might be another case of a power band 902 00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:32,270 oh well we've come to the end of main 903 00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:34,230 body while it for another six months dr. 904 00:40:39,530 --> 00:40:37,230 reaching and I'm I'm ready to go oh you 905 00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:39,540 know I haven't been for a year richard 906 00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:40,740 and i think it was actually good that i 907 00:40:44,780 --> 00:40:43,230 didn't come six months ago because last 908 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:44,790 time I was here I just couldn't be 909 00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:46,890 bothered but today I had a couple of 910 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:49,440 fights with people which will work while 911 00:40:53,330 --> 00:40:51,210 I think I do think I made someone feel a 912 00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,340 little bit guilty which is a good thing 913 00:40:57,230 --> 00:40:55,920 because they're gaining some magnets to 914 00:40:59,840 --> 00:40:57,240 do something they were making some 915 00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:59,850 pretty specific medical claims and it's 916 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:01,020 like every woman I've ever been out with 917 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:05,130 make me feel guilty well maybe maybe 918 00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:06,510 that's not anything to do with your 919 00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:08,700 medical claims may not yeah I did a lot 920 00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,200 of my stuff isn't testable let me tell 921 00:41:13,930 --> 00:41:12,000 you focus benefit that is a lot of your 922 00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:13,940 stuff in medical journals or just 923 00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:16,110 testimonials I do make a lot of claims 924 00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:19,140 but that's argument from Authority if 925 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:21,180 I've ever heard it may nod this is your 926 00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:23,250 second time here yeah I got to tell you 927 00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:24,510 it's an interesting time with you guys 928 00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:25,740 and we did record some interesting stuff 929 00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,420 the dirty disbelievers here as well and 930 00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:29,940 I think the interesting one will be one 931 00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:31,230 on your show there because some of the 932 00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:33,060 stuff we unfortunately can't play on a 933 00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:36,180 potential ABC show but it's it's too I 934 00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,940 find it depressing for two reasons one 935 00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:40,560 you guys ago man harsh never runs mellow 936 00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:43,320 which is understandable it's one that's 937 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:45,240 true it's what you do but also 938 00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:47,010 everyone's everyone's so open to stuff 939 00:41:49,820 --> 00:41:48,510 and that's good but I think some people 940 00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:49,830 are open to stuff where they should look 941 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:51,300 a little bit deeper I think you're 942 00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:53,370 absolutely right well I'm ready to get 943 00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:54,540 the hell out of here and I think 944 00:41:58,940 --> 00:41:56,940 Chinatown is calling what's going on 945 00:42:00,350 --> 00:41:58,950 okay and you go on nowhere near the 946 00:42:02,060 --> 00:42:00,360 Chinese medicine shop okay Richard 947 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:02,070 you're barred from going there okay I'm 948 00:42:16,739 --> 00:42:03,690 surprised we don't get bottle together 949 00:42:21,279 --> 00:42:19,719 this is ben Radford I'm deputy editor of 950 00:42:23,319 --> 00:42:21,289 skeptical inquirer science magazine 951 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:23,329 author of six books including tracking 952 00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:25,249 chupacabra and you can find out more 953 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:33,680 about me at Benjamin Radford com here's 954 00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:43,250 here's a quick question for you anxious 955 00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:44,670 listener how do you know if you're 956 00:42:53,230 --> 00:42:46,680 having a good time when you hear this 957 00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:53,240 sound that's right it's the tuba and 958 00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,880 today we salute the tuba now they make 959 00:43:00,320 --> 00:42:58,560 sure the tuber is shrouded in mystery a 960 00:43:02,210 --> 00:43:00,330 lot of people claim to be the father of 961 00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:02,220 the tuba we can safely say the two 962 00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:04,350 became into being around about 1830 and 963 00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:07,710 it was an instant hit particularly in 964 00:43:16,090 --> 00:43:11,390 Germany they couldn't get enough of it 965 00:43:18,590 --> 00:43:16,100 Empire crazy germans were going nuts and 966 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:18,600 why not get behind the tuba I know I 967 00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:21,570 have there's something about that bupa 968 00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,230 that says I'm having a good time what 969 00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:30,240 German beer festival would be complete 970 00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:35,280 without the tuba Cuba or not to bar I 971 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:37,980 asked you and it's so versatile any song 972 00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:39,570 you can sing or be played on the guitar 973 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:42,030 or recorded by Jimi Hendrix can be done 974 00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:44,490 by the tuba it sucks an evocative and 975 00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:46,500 emotional instrument this rendition of 976 00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:49,470 I'd like to get you on a slow tuba to 977 00:43:55,540 --> 00:44:01,250 you can play jazz on it Tiger Rag 978 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:04,230 you can sing deep meaningful songs about 979 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:06,490 it like the bonzo dog doo-dah band here 980 00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:11,650 with tubers in the moonlight for me all 981 00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:14,740 night tell me what I want 982 00:44:20,910 --> 00:44:17,320 the sad story that everybody had to 983 00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:20,920 listen to at school tubby the tuba he 984 00:44:39,180 --> 00:44:31,650 there's a chew the poker there's the 985 00:44:41,070 --> 00:44:39,190 flight of the tuber be and if you gotta 986 00:44:45,210 --> 00:44:41,080 cheer for your team you couldn't do any 987 00:44:50,670 --> 00:44:45,220 better than to try the tuba chair that 988 00:44:53,070 --> 00:44:50,680 gets me to wreck cited why have dueling 989 00:45:00,900 --> 00:44:53,080 banjos when you can have dueling tube as 990 00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:00,910 I tell you there's a classic tuba track 991 00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:03,280 from Spike Jonze when you but play the 992 00:45:23,310 --> 00:45:12,810 how about some do up under the boardwalk 993 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:25,360 now but you didn't think the Benny Hill 994 00:45:34,049 --> 00:45:27,410 theme could be playing on tuba hey put 995 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:36,640 but two of the great forms of music that 996 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:38,210 have missed out on tuber would have to 997 00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:40,730 be country and western and funk we're 998 00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,140 combining those two here with the 999 00:45:46,809 --> 00:45:44,720 Vandals playing play that country to the 1000 00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:46,819 cowboy it just doesn't get much more 1001 00:46:36,999 --> 00:45:48,380 exciting than this never does write to 1002 00:46:37,009 --> 00:46:41,130 member 1003 00:46:45,490 --> 00:46:43,780 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1004 00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:45,500 zone and I think I'm going to have to 1005 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:47,480 spend the rest of the evening eating 1006 00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,609 more real chicken soup Hey look any 1007 00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:51,440 excuse for chicken soup is a good excuse 1008 00:46:56,530 --> 00:46:53,630 I'm sure this cold will be going away 1009 00:46:58,300 --> 00:46:56,540 pretty soon thank you to all those 1010 00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:58,310 people who wrote in during the show to 1011 00:47:02,589 --> 00:47:01,280 wish me well or will write in during the 1012 00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:02,599 shadow wish you know what I've got here 1013 00:47:10,510 --> 00:47:07,390 I kid you not I have got some 1014 00:47:12,250 --> 00:47:10,520 homeopathic pills from the brow company 1015 00:47:17,650 --> 00:47:12,260 here Australia it's what they sound like 1016 00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:17,660 in the packet these are sleeping tablets 1017 00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:22,880 also it says but you know what I bet 1018 00:47:27,370 --> 00:47:25,369 they're just as good as there're their 1019 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:27,380 hay fever tablets or their if they have 1020 00:47:37,089 --> 00:47:32,410 tablets for cold and flu where's the bin 1021 00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,099 there we go until next week until next 1022 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:39,680 week this is Richard Saunders going to 1023 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:41,570 get some real medicine now signing off 1024 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:47,930 from Sydney Australia you've been 1025 00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:51,290 listening to the skeptic zone visit her 1026 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